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拆解lie-nielsen低角度刨有感

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发表于 2013-8-14 10:14:06 | 显示全部楼层
半匹木马 发表于 2013-8-14 09:55
! c4 ?8 R0 k, h# u: l0 k* m这个刨体角度是12度,刨刃斜面朝下装,你说能有几度呢?如果刨刃斜面朝上装,整个角度当然要刨刃角度加上 ...

" k& P* k9 h; B, [: e刃面向下?确定?{:3_144:}
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/ U6 o0 ?1 G( _2 blow angle plane 都是刃面向上,合起来的刨角一般是12+25
发表于 2013-8-14 10:15:27 | 显示全部楼层
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显然刃口斜面是朝上的嘛
发表于 2013-8-14 10:18:49 | 显示全部楼层
low angle plane算是bevel up里面的一个种类,主要的特征是刃面向上安装,带来的好处是可以通过改变刨刀的刃角,从而改变手刨的刨角
发表于 2013-8-14 10:30:49 | 显示全部楼层
半匹木马 发表于 2013-8-14 09:55 8 Q- d2 D$ L, a. {, e, o7 ?/ P
这个刨体角度是12度,刨刃斜面朝下装,你说能有几度呢?如果刨刃斜面朝上装,整个角度当然要刨刃角度加上 ...

3 e0 |# @8 x: I9 ?% C1 z: |你搞错了,这个刨子的刀刃是朝上的。所有角度低于45度的都叫低角度,如果按你这么说,这个刨子的角度是12度了,没有那么低的。0 O/ w& O# L; Q' ~3 f7 N

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这是官方的说法:% ]8 O; v- L- z  B& t1 i# @+ F4 R
In the Low Angle Plane, the blade is bedded at 12°, making the included cutting angle 37°./ ~9 J! D# R1 Z7 D

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楼主的观点我还是同意的,工具必须好看+好用。下次应该买Skew Block Planes,性价比最高。这种款的话,leevalley有更好的。
发表于 2013-8-14 10:31:06 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lby111 于 2013-8-14 10:32 编辑
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发表于 2013-8-14 10:33:08 | 显示全部楼层
顶一个,东西漂亮钱也漂亮
发表于 2013-8-14 10:33:57 | 显示全部楼层
lby111 发表于 2013-8-14 10:31 ; `$ q: M7 U! x7 g% w
画个图就知道,所谓高低角度,刃口吃木头的关系是一样的,但刨刀体的高度就大不相同了,刨刀体的低角度,就 ...
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角度跟吃木头大有关系,低角度一般是专攻横截面和软木的。45度是通用的,50-55度是专攻花纹比较乱的木头,不容易爆茬。
  E+ Q$ C: t$ j6 x0 x低角度的,也有高的。
发表于 2013-8-14 10:51:10 | 显示全部楼层
我贴一下我自己收集整理的各个北美普遍率高的刨子品牌的信息,主要是刀片厚度、角度、刨身角度等。可以总结出许多规律的。
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  2. Plane Blades Angle+ x$ {" C- v$ N( C5 p% F
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  4. A-2 Steel blades will hold an edge extremely well, especially when sharpened at an angle of 30 degrees
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  5. An O-1 blade will take a slightly finer edge when sharpened at 25 degrees or lower, making them useful for slicing or paring.# `# K  x) @: P5 c* L8 X

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  8. To strengthen the edge we recommend a larger bevel angle for A2 than we would use for O1. For a bench plane iron, try your A2 blade at about 30° or 33°. A chisel or block plane blade can be even steeper; try 35° or so and see if edge retention is improved.
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  10. Leevalley
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  12. 个别燕尾的刀片是58RC的
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  13. Clip Breaker" G& _! V" s1 _# v/ [2 Z
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  15. molding plane,block plane,shoulder plane不需要 breaker。/ a& z4 j0 x' l" \
  16. 如果用3/16的刀刃,breaker 应该有1/8厚,更薄的刀刃用3/32的breaker,比刀刃短1/2
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  17. 平放离开前端5/8的地方应该有1/16的空隙,角度为25度。
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  18. 离开刀口应该1/64-1/32* o/ ~% E4 }. f
  19. 螺丝口的外端离开刀刃槽的前端应该有3/16的距离。我的螺丝帽是3/8的,螺丝是1/4的,所以槽最好5/16宽。洞的方向很讲究,要让螺丝帽在刀刃上平躺。
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  20. 槽的位置大概在1.5-2.75这里。(3寸半的刀刃)' f% }7 b* \" t. j1 o
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  23. 1/8" thick with a .015" lip ground at a 1 degree angle
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  27. 全部配到3/16的厚度。1  1/2到1/ 3/4不等的宽度。全部配breaker- K# c7 z* Z( S- T# @
  28. 大概可以做12个。
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  34. (1/8)0.125" x 2"
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  37. all 3/32" thick and 7"long7 y  I) o' K2 u0 [4 ?
  38. 1 3/4" wide (fits #3) ! P2 _. ?8 F1 O6 N+ {' U
  39. 2" (fits #4 & 5)
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  40. 2 1/4" (fits some older types)
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  41. 2 3/8" (fits#4½, 5½, 6 & 7)
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  45. Our bench plane blades are 0.100" thick, All are 7" long with a 30° bevel.
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  48. Blades and Plans for Wooden Planes
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  50. 3/16"  0.1875. 厚 come complete with chip-breaker,全部是3½"长的,后来加了4½的。
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  51. 宽度从1到2都有。
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  52. the chip breakers at 1/8" thick.
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  54. 推荐hock的刀片。- h) G1 d3 `$ s% d$ M6 K
  55. 1-1/2"  --  block planes and jointer planes
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  59. Lee Valley Blades for Wooden Planes
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  60. 全部是 3/16"  0.1875. 厚6"宽的,designed to be wedge secured and are used without a chip breaker。从1寸到2-3/8"都有。
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  67. 全部选用3/16厚的,1到1.25不等的宽。跟should plane 通用刀片。; r% ?! `* f9 ?+ G7 L  \
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  71. All are 3/32" ( 0.09375. )thick x 4 1/4" Long.1 3/8" wide和1 5/8" wide两个尺寸。( ^. v4 t& g. @/ V9 V$ ~; `
  72. 他们有个木质的特别版本的,没有说厚度,但都是 1" wide blade,  5 3/4" 和3 1/2" long。
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  79. Blade: 1wide, .125" thick.
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  81. Plane: 4 3/8" long ,1 1/4"  The blade sits in the body at 12o.
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  82. Convex Sole Block Plane
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  84. Blade: 1/8 inch thick ,  7/8 inches wide. It has a radius of 7/8 inches, and sits in the body at 20°,+ n+ e& o$ D$ ^/ i6 T
  85. Plane: The radius across the width of the sole is 3 inches , from end to end the radius is 27 inches. The sole is 3 1/2 inches long and the overall length with the squirrel tail handle is 5 inches. ) i7 e, w5 [0 K, G# a! p' N
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  87. The smaller blade radius of 7/8 inches means that the corners of the blade will not protrude from the mouth when set for a medium or fine shaving.+ I/ D( o1 g4 d$ F$ R
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  92. Blade: 7/8" wide x 1/8" thick and bedded at 18 degrees. % Z, }3 c) U0 g: I- U
  93. Plane: 3 7/16” long x 1 3/16” wide x 1 5/8” tall. " M4 a6 m8 s" r% R7 Q$ u6 n

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  98. Plane: 6¼" long
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  99. Blade: 1-3/8"x 1/8" thick Blade on the Low Angle tool is bedded at 12°, the Standard Angle at 20°. Blades are ground with a 25° flat bevel.
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  103. Blade: The l½" x 1/8" The blade sits in the body at 12°; and it comes with a 25° flat ground bevel, making the included cutting angle 37°. The skew angle is 18°.
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  111. The bevel-down blade is bedded at 37.5° for low-angle end-grain planing of shoulders. Our high-carbon, 3/16" thick x 3/4" wide Tee Blade is included.
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  112. 刨子本身的大小:3/4" Iron Width x 10" Length
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  117. Plane: 5½"
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  118. Blade: ½" wide x 1/8" thick blade. The blade sits in the body at 15°; it comes with at 25° flat ground bevel, making the included cutting angle 40°.
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  124. Plane: 5 3/4” long by 5/8” wide, 7 \6 t# K* Z- p5 L8 ^
  125. Blade: The blade is .125" (3.55mm) thick, The blade is bedded in the tool at 18° with a 25° bevel, making the included cutting angle 43°.+ [. M( e# P7 c: r5 Q: v

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  127. The cap and blade bed are intentionally machined so the tip of the cap and blade have excellent contact with the blade bed in the body./ K& d; s1 ^: r7 \; a6 V; q- z& @
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  130. Plane: 7 3/4” long by 3/4” wide
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  131. Blade: 3/4"  x .140" thick blade.is bedded in the tool at 18° with a 25° bevel, making the included cutting angle 43°.
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  134. Plane: 8-1/4" long by 1-1/4" wide
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  135. Blade: 1¼" x .140" thick blade.2 B+ B6 J. X0 e; {% r) j

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  140. 全部1/8厚*3/4宽的刀片,长度自己截。至少可以做4把。. ~( X% T1 t+ @
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  142. 3/32" (0.09375.)thick,0.75-1 宽,没说其他,这是给铁身用的。
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  144. 木身的:
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  145. 1/8"(0.125) X 5/8" X 4 7/16" w/threaded posts 3 15/16" o.c. ( s9 l! ^' F6 o- O8 C, A
  146. 3/32" X 7/16" X 2 1/2" w/threaded posts 2 1/4" o.c.5 ]$ A$ k4 \8 m

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  154. The body measures 3/4" x 1-1/2" x 4-3/4", the blue-tempered spring steel blades are .050" by 3/4 x 1-3/4". j  H# @; p- d- {; d
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  158. Scraper
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  160. these blades are 3/32" thick by 2-7/8" wide and 5" long with a 45° bevel on the cutting edge.
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  161. And for the #80 (1/16" X 2-3/4" X 3" long) and the #81 (1/16" X 2-1/2" x 3-7/8" long) Scraper Planes, too!
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  168. Blade: is set in the tool bevel up at 20° with a 25° bevel. 2" x 3/16" thick
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  175. blade: 1-3/8" x 1/8"  45° bevel on the blade$ I( v% _/ P1 X1 X9 X6 w1 J2 |9 ]
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  180. Plane: Length 8-3/8"  Width 2"
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  181. Blade width 2".
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  182. Large Scraping Plane 4 L* ]; r# T; s6 a2 _+ ?
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  184. Plane: 9½" long
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  185. Blade: 2-7/8" x .140blade
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  188. Flush Plane
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  192. A powerful 1" diameter rare-earth magnet holds the 2" wide blade in place. A steel pin molded into the tough ABS body takes thrust loads. The included blade, with a 25° bevel angle, is readily removed for honing in the usual way.
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发表于 2013-8-14 11:03:45 | 显示全部楼层
不知道为什么会有人叫它“欧刨”,欧洲大陆人不用这种款式
发表于 2013-8-14 11:16:03 | 显示全部楼层
cclizy 发表于 2013-8-14 11:03
+ c$ Q! e, u7 ?& P8 y: i不知道为什么会有人叫它“欧刨”,欧洲大陆人不用这种款式

1 p- Z" y6 d- W5 p9 slie-nielsen的Rabbet Block Plane的口是固定的,不能调宽度的,Skew Block Plane是可以调的,有助于减少爆茬。- }- j7 A4 N; ?+ ^

$ c' H+ B0 j6 J1 Y) q! r' [Rabbet Block Plane的刀片是平行的,有些地方效果没斜角的Skew Block Plane好。" z' j4 i/ j/ M8 G

7 d; i! V' c# |/ I1 hSkew Block Plane是带靠山的,而且可以拆,Rabbet Block Plane没有。  }) N' b4 w5 ?, W

. q( C# p$ r3 }( v0 `2 {" X他们两个都带了一般刨子不会有的nicker,这个很讨喜。但我个人觉得Skew Block Plane性价比是Block Plane里最好的,而且这个刨子leevalley家的做的更好。硬要说缺点的话,就是设定比较难,然后就是这刨子是分左右手的。
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邪恶的正太 发表于 2013-8-14 11:16
1 J0 G" h- `: }# Ylie-nielsen的Rabbet Block Plane的口是固定的,不能调宽度的,Skew Block Plane是可以调的,有助于减少爆 ...

5 Q% z. Z7 {" j我这个刨子全称叫“ Adjustable Mouth Block Plane",Low Angle L-N 60 1/2,口的宽度可以调节,调节零件可拆开,照片已有表示。谢谢
发表于 2013-8-14 11:43:11 | 显示全部楼层
内行人看门道 外行人看热闹  没有看明白上图的意义何在 学徒就应该有的水平 鉴定完毕
发表于 2013-8-14 11:44:07 | 显示全部楼层
发错了 不好意思
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邪恶的正太 发表于 2013-8-14 11:16
" z' q" D6 P) Tlie-nielsen的Rabbet Block Plane的口是固定的,不能调宽度的,Skew Block Plane是可以调的,有助于减少爆 ...
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拿来做芯板的边,应该是个不错的工具
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半匹木马 发表于 2013-8-14 11:32 * s! W! d7 r+ K8 C( n' h
我这个刨子全称叫“ Adjustable Mouth Block Plane",Low Angle L-N 60 1/2,口的宽度可以调节,调节零件可 ...
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, H# J, q, [! O3 h0 _! V我回复的是cclizy的评语= =~~~~
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